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Yeah, but I was so fortunate.
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It must have been fate
or some shit,
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but next-door neighbour,
there was only one woman,
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she was a widow
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and I used to be able
to play the gramophone.
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And what I used to do
was sing in front of the mirror
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with a tennis racket.
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You know, we've all been there.
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And when I first started,
an incredible ego.
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- Pardon?
- How old were you?
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About 12.
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Yeah, full of shit.
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Still am.
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Yeah, we used to deliver
the papers all around this area.
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We both worked
for the same paper shop.
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But Joe had got
a slightly different round
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to the one that I had.
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We didn't get much money,
but it was money.
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Kept us out of trouble.
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Gracious me!
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Early in the morning,
at weekends and stuff like that,
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after the paper round
had finished,
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I'd go round and see Joe.
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But I would come in and he'd
always be listening to music.
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And his breakfast
was always two Weetabix
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with a load of sugar
and milk on.
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This is Joe looking
incredibly smart
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with his mum and me.
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And...
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Then we get him
slightly more Joe-like,
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looking slightly tousle-haired.
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Joe and elegance always had
a bit of a dispute.
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Joe in his teens
looking reflective,
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looking over the cliffs.
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A pal of mine, Dave Brooksbank,
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said that we were gonna set up
a skiffle group.
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I think we were playing
at some youth club
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and Joe came up and joined us
on one of the numbers.
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And Joe was only, I think,
12 at the time, 12 and a half
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He came up
and sang along with us.
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I'd really got no idea
up to that point
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that he'd got a good voice.
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Being an older brother,
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you didn't necessarily look
for that sort of talent
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in your younger brother.
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This is a rare photograph of Joe
in his swimming trunks.
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And there he is
showing off his tummy
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to great effect.
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He used to get on great
with everybody, Joe.
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And he was the life and the soul
of the party.
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Everybody wanted
to be around him.
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He’d got kind of a following.
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Wherever he went, he would
create a kind of a party.
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He had a little
transistor radio and
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I remember one night he said,
"Listen to this,"
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because he'd been waiting
for it to come on.
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He always used to have it
to his ear like this.
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And it was "What'd I Say"
by Ray Charles.
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It was a bad reception,
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but just the voice suddenly
did something to me.
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Everyone disowned me
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because I became so obsessed
with listening to the man.
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I was singing at nights
and working in the daytime.
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Everybody was expecting me
to get a job. My folks did.
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I didn't know
what the hell I wanted to do.
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And this gas fitting thing
came along when I was only 16.
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I took this apprenticeship up.
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I was a gas fitter.
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I was like a plumber, only
you're fitting gas appliances.
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But the singing bit was always
the strong thing in my head.
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But every night, we used to
go out and sing in these pubs.
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I can't remember definitely.
You're going back a year or two.
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But, I mean, it would have
probably come from Joe,
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the inspiration
to kind of get a band together.
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My mother, God bless her,
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she bought me a guitar
called a "Lucky 7"
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which was
a completely white guitar.
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Joe used to play a snare drum
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and his parents were fine about
us kind of using the back room
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to kind of rehearse.
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I first learned
how to bend a string
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in that room down there
to the right.
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I remember that vividly.
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"Oh, that's how you do it!"
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So, yes, this is where
it all started for Joe, yeah.
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I was in a band
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and we were playing
at the Locarno in Sheffield
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and one night Joe appeared
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in the audience
and he came up to me
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and he said,
"Would you join my band?"
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It was like a rival band.
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And he was doing blues
and all the good stuff
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that I would like to do.
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And so I said,
"Yeah, I'd love to join you."
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He was sort of scruffy.
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He didn't really care
about how he looked.
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He had massive curly hair,
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really scruffy-looking,
but I just liked him
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because he was a genuine guy.
He was a real guy.
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It was strange that
our paths had never crossed,
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all those years we had lived
in the same town, until 1967
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when we both could feel
the twilight.
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If we didn't do something fast,
we were going to get lost.
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That's when we started
writing songs together.
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It was an instrumental
that I'd done at home
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on my little tape recorder
in the front room
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and it developed from there.
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For percussion I had
a brass fruit bowl
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of my mum's
which I was bashing on.
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My mother was upstairs
in the bedroom,
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knocking on the floor
for me to shut up.
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It was like two in the morning.
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I played it for Joe
and he loved the sound of it.
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And about three days later
he came back
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and he'd written words to it.
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Denny was particularly good
at picking musicians and songs.
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I don't think
I ever heard him come up
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with a musical idea as such.
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I mean, I never heard him
give anybody a part.
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I don't think
he could whistle a tune.
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But he provided a really,
really creative atmosphere
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in the studio
and was a really good producer.
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It was awesome for me, really,
this big Olympic studio.
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And all this equipment
and fabulous desks and stuff
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and Glyn Johns was
a total genius.
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The one thing I remember more
than anything is Chris Stainton
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coming in the control room
at the beginning of the session
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and saying to me,
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"I have a way that I want you
to record my piano,"
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which didn't go down very well
with me.
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I don't normally like a musician
telling me how to record.
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I didn't know who he was
at that point.
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He was quite amused by me,
I think.
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I told him where to put
the microphone on the piano.
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I said, "If you stick it round
the back, it'll sound great."
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"If that's what he wants,
I'll do it."
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Actually, it was very effective,
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so my hat was tipped
to him immediately.
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He's not exactly an Adonis, Joe.
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He wasn't sort of pop star
material, really,
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but I thought his voice
was extraordinary,
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which ls why I thought
we had a hit.
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They put it out as a single,
I think.
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I think it actually got
to number 43 or something.
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I used to listen to others,
like The Beatles or The Stones
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and feel he could do
as well if not better.
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All it needed was just some sort
of breakthrough, really,
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that was gonna get him
to the public attention.
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We were doing gigs in London
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and at some point Joe said
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he wanted to do
"A Little Help From My Friends",
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but not like The Beatles.
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For some odd reason,
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I thought of "Little Help
From My Friends"
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and I was sat on the outside
toilet in Tasker Road.
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With my pants down at my knees.
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I don't know why that should
have given me any inspiration.
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He liked the six-eights of...
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Sort of beat.
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A lot of Aretha's records
had that.
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I said, "Why don't you do
a Ray Charles scream?"
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I got invited round
to Apple, right?
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And George was there.
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I think they were just finishing
'Abbey Road", right?
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And George sort of played me
something.
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And I said,
"OK, I'll have that."
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Then Paul McCartney drifted in
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and he said,
"You can have this one."
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We'd had this number one record
with "Little Help"in England.
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I remember Dee Anthony came
to see us in London in this club
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and said, "You want
to come to America, guys?
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I'll pay you $2,000 a week."
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You know, or $2,000 a night.
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You can imagine from Sheffield,
England, to suddenly hear this
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and we were thinking, "My God!"
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You know, because we always
wanted to go to the States.
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We didn't really have any sort
of influence on America
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until "Little Help
From My Friends"
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which was a hit,
so all of a sudden we were...
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We were over there.
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We were making money.
We were top of the world.
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We were playing to bigger and
bigger audiences across America.
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And we were
like schoolkids thinking
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the bubble's gonna burst
at any moment.
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And there were groupies
throwing themselves at us
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and all this stuff.
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OK.
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I ran out and I got the album.
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I said, this guy's got to be
pretty good
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if all these people are playing
on this recording.
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Jimmy Page was on the album.
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Steve Winwood was on the album.
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They had some
of the best musicians in Britain
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on that first album.
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We were all curious.
"Who's this guy Joe Cocker?"
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It was just a brilliant record.
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And it was met with great
feeling from the radio people...
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that I respected and...
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I knew we were on
to something really big.
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He was one of the most
articulate people I'd ever met
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for just a schoolboy education.
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He was charming,
absolutely charming.
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He was looking forward
to his career.
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He was into the business
and it was just very exciting.
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When I booked Joe,
I hadn't seen him perform
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and the first time I heard him
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I think Denny Cordell had
sent a tape of Joe.
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And when I first listened to it,
I thought it was amazing.
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I thought he was black.
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I thought it was some sort
of black blues singer.
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We had to go in by helicopter.
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But I threw up
out of the helicopter
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because I'd taken some LSD,
I'd taken some acid.
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Everybody was taking everything
in those days,
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so I'd taken some acid
and it was a bit heavy.
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And I don't know
how the hell I managed to play.
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I was at Woodstock.
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One of the people I was there
to see was Joe Cocker.
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It's startling
how strong his voice was.
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It was shocking.
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He was like a skinny English guy
with scraggly hair.
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Kind of making funny moves
with his hands.
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He was basically playing
air guitar
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before there was air guitar.
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And clearly
it was an instrument.
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It was part of the way
he produced what he did.
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He was kind of shaking
and contorting.
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The clenched fist and kind of
the body movements said to me
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this guy is at the heart
of what he sings.
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This is not some shtick.
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This is really the way he is.
Wow!
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Right from the beginning,
he was always like that.
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He was always like 150%.
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He used to go totally frantic
every time
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and put his whole life into it.
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I don't know how he managed
to maintain such intensity.
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That Woodstock moment was
the real breakthrough
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in terms of creating his image.
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Somehow everybody got it.
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They saw what he was about,
really.
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There's three things
I remember about 1969.
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Woodstock.
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The Led Zeppelin album came out
and the Joe Cocker album.
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And that's how I sum up 1969.
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It seemed to be a fairly
common opinion at the time
248
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that Joe was the number one male
artist in the United States.
249
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He was massive, absolutely huge.
250
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His manager Dee Anthony
had booked an extensive tour
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in the United States
252
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and Joe had just come off
of a tour in England
253
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and I know he felt like
he was going to be able
254
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to just kick back
and get some rest.
255
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It was five, six days
before the tour started
256
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and Dee Anthony said, "No.
257
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This is not a time to rest.
258
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If you don't do these dates,
you'll never work
259
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in the United States again."
260
00:19:57,033 --> 00:19:59,828
I could imagine Dee
saying that too, but
261
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I wasn't privy to that,
but all I know is that
262
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everybody was in lockstep
263
00:20:07,293 --> 00:20:09,295
to make this tour
as successful as it could be.
264
00:20:09,462 --> 00:20:12,257
He was saying people's legs
are gonna get broken.
265
00:20:12,966 --> 00:20:16,177
"These contracts are signed,
the venues are booked.
266
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The tickets are sold.
You have to do this.
267
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And if you don't..."
268
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The implied part of that
269
00:20:24,060 --> 00:20:26,187
was that somebody
was gonna hurt Joe.
270
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This is his manager
talking to him,
271
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the guy that's supposed
to be helping him
272
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and building his career.
273
00:20:34,571 --> 00:20:38,116
Maybe Dee was just stating
what he felt might happen.
274
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But to me it wasn't coming
from a warm and fuzzy place.
275
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- What are we circling about?
- I can feel energy in the room.
276
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- I can feel it.
- We're circling before we land.
277
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- Yeah, that's space for you.
- A spaceship.
278
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Yeah.
279
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I met Joe the day that
he came in to record with Leon.
280
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I think he was recording
"Delta Lady"
281
00:21:16,905 --> 00:21:21,576
and I met him that day
and just fell in love with him
282
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because his presence, everything
about Joe was so gentle
283
00:21:26,247 --> 00:21:27,665
and sweet.
284
00:21:28,875 --> 00:21:32,003
Leon came on board and said,
"I'll put the band together,
285
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I'll do the arrangements.
The tour will go forward,
286
00:21:35,632 --> 00:21:38,092
but I have to make
all the decisions."
287
00:21:38,635 --> 00:21:41,012
And at that time
I think Joe felt like
288
00:21:41,763 --> 00:21:45,475
that was not such a bad thing
because he really was exhausted.
289
00:21:46,226 --> 00:21:48,353
So we found ourselves
with Leon Russell
290
00:21:48,853 --> 00:21:52,273
and I'd already sort of
worshipped him from afar
291
00:21:52,398 --> 00:21:55,360
because of all
that gospel stuff.
292
00:22:04,828 --> 00:22:06,996
And I thought, "Bloody hell!
293
00:22:07,163 --> 00:22:09,666
That's how a piano
should be played."
294
00:22:11,459 --> 00:22:13,628
Leon said, "I'll come out
with you on the condition
295
00:22:13,795 --> 00:22:15,338
I put the rest
of the band together."
296
00:22:16,339 --> 00:22:18,091
And in the space of half an hour
297
00:22:18,258 --> 00:22:20,468
he's got about another
40 musicians lined up.
298
00:22:27,308 --> 00:22:31,479
I was just totally overwhelmed
by how good they all were.
299
00:22:31,646 --> 00:22:33,106
They were brilliant, all of 'em.
300
00:22:33,606 --> 00:22:36,067
I felt not as good as them.
301
00:22:36,234 --> 00:22:37,694
I felt like, "Oh..."
302
00:22:37,861 --> 00:22:41,489
Before the tour Joe said, "Do we
really need four drummers?"
303
00:22:41,656 --> 00:22:44,158
And Leon said, "Well,
which three are you gonna fire?"
304
00:22:45,702 --> 00:22:47,161
I knew it was important
for the label
305
00:22:47,287 --> 00:22:48,997
to be able to mount
something like this
306
00:22:49,122 --> 00:22:51,791
because this was getting the
attention of all the big labels.
307
00:22:51,958 --> 00:22:53,751
And I knew
if we didn't back it up,
308
00:22:53,877 --> 00:22:57,589
it would look as if we weren't
really supporting this artist.
309
00:22:57,922 --> 00:23:00,800
Jerry Moss said this ls
something that's different
310
00:23:00,967 --> 00:23:02,969
from anything
that's ever happened.
311
00:23:03,553 --> 00:23:05,054
And we've got to film this,
312
00:23:05,221 --> 00:23:07,724
then they start pulling in
the film crew.
313
00:23:07,891 --> 00:23:13,730
Suddenly, instead of 25 people,
there are 50 people
314
00:23:13,897 --> 00:23:16,774
and it just kept growing up to
the minute we got on the plane.
315
00:23:41,925 --> 00:23:45,720
"Mad Dogs and Englishmen", that
was a great title for the tour.
316
00:23:46,804 --> 00:23:50,934
You walk in expecting a circus
and that's exactly what it was,
317
00:23:51,100 --> 00:23:53,561
even complete with a ringmaster
with a top hat on.
318
00:23:54,145 --> 00:23:55,146
Leon Russell.
319
00:23:55,313 --> 00:24:00,610
And I had not run into
such a bizarre scenario before
320
00:24:00,777 --> 00:24:04,989
in terms of just the number
of people involved.
321
00:24:14,624 --> 00:24:15,875
I forget how many of us...
322
00:24:16,042 --> 00:24:18,503
There were like 40 people
on stage at times.
323
00:24:19,379 --> 00:24:22,840
But it was the fact when
something becomes so communal,
324
00:24:23,007 --> 00:24:25,635
you're all getting into
the spirit of things, you know.
325
00:24:40,483 --> 00:24:43,111
I mean, for me,
it was really Leon's band.
326
00:24:43,736 --> 00:24:46,364
Even Joe looked a bit lost
sometimes on it.
327
00:24:48,074 --> 00:24:50,284
Leon was just simply
a superb showman
328
00:24:50,451 --> 00:24:51,869
and a natural leader.
329
00:24:52,412 --> 00:24:55,665
The main musical arranger,
producer, director,
330
00:24:55,832 --> 00:24:58,167
choreographer, whatever
you might say about him.
331
00:24:58,876 --> 00:25:01,337
The only time
that Joe really fit in
332
00:25:01,504 --> 00:25:03,881
was when he walked
to the centre of the stage
333
00:25:04,090 --> 00:25:06,759
and commanded that stage
334
00:25:06,926 --> 00:25:11,389
because he had such raw,
incredible, God-given talent.
335
00:25:56,059 --> 00:25:58,770
I don't think
that he really realised
336
00:25:58,936 --> 00:26:01,898
that everything was gonna be
out of his control,
337
00:26:02,857 --> 00:26:04,525
that he simply was the guy
338
00:26:04,692 --> 00:26:07,111
that walked to the centre
of the stage and sang the songs.
339
00:26:07,528 --> 00:26:10,823
I think Leon tried to upstage
him a lot of the time,
340
00:26:10,990 --> 00:26:12,742
but he didn't.
341
00:26:13,367 --> 00:26:14,368
He never could.
342
00:26:37,058 --> 00:26:39,644
There were always people
clamouring to get to Joe
343
00:26:40,269 --> 00:26:42,021
for whatever reasons.
344
00:26:42,772 --> 00:26:43,773
Let's go.
345
00:26:44,941 --> 00:26:46,776
And he just always had
that little...
346
00:26:47,276 --> 00:26:50,947
"Heh-heh." That little laugh
and that little smile of his.
347
00:26:51,489 --> 00:26:54,575
And his eyes would roll back
in his head
348
00:26:54,784 --> 00:26:57,078
and he just didn't know
what the heck was going on.
349
00:26:57,578 --> 00:26:59,455
"How do I get out of here?
Where's the door?"
350
00:27:08,422 --> 00:27:10,133
There was too many drugs
going around.
351
00:27:10,633 --> 00:27:12,802
It was horrible, really.
352
00:27:12,969 --> 00:27:15,888
And it wrecked Joe, you know.
353
00:27:16,472 --> 00:27:18,641
Nobody was looking
after him at all.
354
00:27:19,809 --> 00:27:21,686
It was just like,
"Oh, have this.
355
00:27:22,478 --> 00:27:23,896
Go on, Joe. Good old Joe."
356
00:27:24,522 --> 00:27:26,774
Nobody seemed to care
what happened to him.
357
00:27:26,983 --> 00:27:29,110
It caused me
to have an understanding
358
00:27:29,277 --> 00:27:32,613
of what is the record label's
responsibility here.
359
00:27:32,780 --> 00:27:35,408
Our responsibility basically was
to put out a good record.
360
00:27:36,826 --> 00:27:38,369
But we couldn't manage him
361
00:27:38,536 --> 00:27:41,247
and I remember Bill Anthony
saying to Dee
362
00:27:41,372 --> 00:27:44,458
who was upset over something
Joe had done on the west coast.
363
00:27:45,376 --> 00:27:46,919
Bill was supposed to be on him.
364
00:27:47,044 --> 00:27:49,672
Bill would say to me, "I can't
be with him 24 hours a day.
365
00:27:50,339 --> 00:27:51,340
That's impossible.
366
00:27:51,966 --> 00:27:53,968
How could any manager do that?
367
00:27:54,594 --> 00:27:58,472
I'd have to sleep with the guy.
And I'd rather not do that."
368
00:27:58,681 --> 00:28:00,558
It started out
all peace and love
369
00:28:00,725 --> 00:28:03,019
and by the end of the tour
it was like...
370
00:28:03,728 --> 00:28:06,898
Everybody was at each other's
throats. It was terrible.
371
00:28:15,656 --> 00:28:20,244
It was an experience.
It was something else.
372
00:28:21,329 --> 00:28:23,122
You know, we all thought
we were off to Venus
373
00:28:23,289 --> 00:28:26,751
or heading for outer space,
the next stop after that.
374
00:28:29,879 --> 00:28:31,631
And of course
it didn't evolve that way.
375
00:28:31,797 --> 00:28:33,799
I ended up in a heap
in Los Angeles,
376
00:28:34,258 --> 00:28:37,303
just very disillusioned
with the whole rock business.
377
00:28:45,144 --> 00:28:47,480
It didn't surprise me
that there was no money left
378
00:28:47,647 --> 00:28:48,648
at the end of that tour.
379
00:28:49,273 --> 00:28:51,484
When you look at the number
of people on the road
380
00:28:51,651 --> 00:28:54,028
with the film crew,
the cost of the film crew,
381
00:28:54,195 --> 00:28:55,947
the cost of 50 people,
382
00:28:56,239 --> 00:28:57,698
there was really no way
383
00:28:57,865 --> 00:29:00,034
that anybody could have come
out of that with money.
384
00:29:00,243 --> 00:29:03,746
Leon didn't come out with money.
None of us did.
385
00:29:06,165 --> 00:29:09,961
And Joe had just literally given
all of himself
386
00:29:10,503 --> 00:29:12,463
and there was nothing
to show for it.
387
00:29:13,297 --> 00:29:14,632
And when the tour was over,
388
00:29:14,799 --> 00:29:17,093
he actually went
to Denny Cordell's house
389
00:29:17,260 --> 00:29:18,970
and was staying there
for a while.
390
00:29:19,512 --> 00:29:21,722
And actually sleeping
by the front door.
391
00:29:21,973 --> 00:29:24,475
He didn't have a place to live.
392
00:29:25,017 --> 00:29:28,062
He didn't have enough money
to even buy a guitar.
393
00:29:36,612 --> 00:29:38,614
I do remember him
appearing home.
394
00:29:40,574 --> 00:29:43,411
He just looked
like a wild man, really.
395
00:29:43,953 --> 00:29:46,831
My mum and dad were
very worried about him.
396
00:29:48,332 --> 00:29:50,501
It was quite shocking
to see him, really.
397
00:29:51,043 --> 00:29:53,587
He could hardly talk, you know.
398
00:29:54,005 --> 00:29:57,341
He just threw out
the odd little phrase.
399
00:29:57,508 --> 00:30:00,052
It was no complete sentences.
400
00:30:00,636 --> 00:30:01,971
How do you regard Sheffield?
401
00:30:02,138 --> 00:30:05,099
Do you still regard it as home,
a kind of place to escape
402
00:30:05,266 --> 00:30:07,143
from all the pressures
you're exposed to or what?
403
00:30:08,352 --> 00:30:10,146
Not really, no.
404
00:30:10,271 --> 00:30:12,231
I don't believe
you can escape anywhere.
405
00:30:13,316 --> 00:30:14,859
He was in a state.
406
00:30:15,026 --> 00:30:18,654
He was doing heroin, acid,
all sorts of stuff.
407
00:30:19,488 --> 00:30:21,032
Yeah, he was not
in a good state.
408
00:30:21,824 --> 00:30:23,743
That tour left a scar on him.
409
00:30:24,493 --> 00:30:28,998
Originally, he was articulate
and funny and warm
410
00:30:29,165 --> 00:30:33,502
and appreciated the work
that everybody did for him.
411
00:30:33,669 --> 00:30:36,047
He was friendly
with people at AandM
412
00:30:36,213 --> 00:30:38,924
and people liked him and
loved him and wanted to help.
413
00:30:40,092 --> 00:30:44,180
But after that tour,
he was a little less agreeable.
414
00:30:44,347 --> 00:30:47,016
He'd rather become
a bit of a commodity, really.
415
00:30:48,017 --> 00:30:51,562
He was just expected to be
the singer with this band.
416
00:30:59,236 --> 00:31:01,822
There was a kind
of innocence about him
417
00:31:01,989 --> 00:31:03,657
which never went away.
418
00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:05,701
He came from Sheffield
419
00:31:05,868 --> 00:31:09,497
and was just thrown
into stardom literally.
420
00:31:09,705 --> 00:31:12,166
And I think
that he never really adjusted
421
00:31:12,333 --> 00:31:15,503
to the clamour and the noise
and the adoration.
422
00:31:16,504 --> 00:31:19,048
I think it's one reason
that he took drugs.
423
00:31:19,715 --> 00:31:22,301
Any time
anyone would hand him anything,
424
00:31:22,468 --> 00:31:23,719
he would put it in his mouth.
425
00:31:23,886 --> 00:31:25,346
Not to be deprecating,
426
00:31:25,513 --> 00:31:27,473
but Joe would get high
with high school kids.
427
00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:30,142
If they were playing a date
somewhere, he'd go out the back
428
00:31:30,309 --> 00:31:33,771
and there were fans waiting
and he'd sit and talk to them.
429
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:36,649
He was a man of the people
for sure,
430
00:31:36,816 --> 00:31:40,903
but he did have this liking
of the stuff, you know.
431
00:31:41,904 --> 00:31:43,531
Walking to the stage,
432
00:31:44,031 --> 00:31:46,659
if somebody handed him a pill,
it went right in his mouth.
433
00:31:46,826 --> 00:31:47,827
He never looked at it.
434
00:31:48,536 --> 00:31:51,664
I don't know how he performed
and never missed a lyric,
435
00:31:51,831 --> 00:31:53,624
never missed a note.
436
00:31:54,291 --> 00:31:57,586
I said, "Joe, how do you do it?"
437
00:31:57,753 --> 00:31:59,588
He said, "The only difference
438
00:32:00,089 --> 00:32:03,342
in one tab of acid
and 11 tabs of acid
439
00:32:03,717 --> 00:32:05,636
is the pain
in the back of my neck."
440
00:32:07,346 --> 00:32:09,515
Joe had been
in a very high profile
441
00:32:09,682 --> 00:32:11,475
during that tour,
before that tour,
442
00:32:11,642 --> 00:32:14,019
then after that tour, he just
kind of dropped off the map.
443
00:32:14,186 --> 00:32:16,063
We always wondered,
"What happened to Joe?
444
00:32:16,230 --> 00:32:17,273
Where's Joe Cocker?"
445
00:32:17,398 --> 00:32:19,316
And the music business
being what it is,
446
00:32:19,442 --> 00:32:22,111
people tend
to just write it off to,
447
00:32:22,278 --> 00:32:24,572
"He dropped off the charts
and that's the end of that."
448
00:32:24,780 --> 00:32:27,241
What happens now to Joe Cocker?
What are you going to do now?
449
00:32:29,326 --> 00:32:31,579
I'm still not that sure.
I'm just gonna...
450
00:32:36,208 --> 00:32:37,751
...rock on
in one way or another.
451
00:32:48,971 --> 00:32:50,806
Jim Price had run into Joe
452
00:32:50,973 --> 00:32:53,726
and he wanted to produce
the next record with Joe.
453
00:32:53,893 --> 00:32:56,520
I was happy to have any kind
of record and I said, "Great."
454
00:32:57,104 --> 00:32:58,189
Here's a song,
455
00:32:58,814 --> 00:33:02,943
a little taster from Jim Webb,
Jimmy Webb.
456
00:33:03,486 --> 00:33:06,197
Somewhere out of the blue
came this call from Jim Price,
457
00:33:06,322 --> 00:33:08,699
saying, "Joe Cocker wants
to do this song."
458
00:33:10,534 --> 00:33:12,495
I never missed a beat
because I thought,
459
00:33:12,661 --> 00:33:15,414
"Of course, he's the guy
to sing this song."
460
00:34:02,586 --> 00:34:04,338
One night,
Jim Price called me and he said,
461
00:34:04,463 --> 00:34:07,424
"I'd like you to come down to
the studio and meet Joe Cocker."
462
00:34:07,591 --> 00:34:09,593
And I said,
"Wow, I'd love to do that. "
463
00:34:10,344 --> 00:34:13,180
And Jim Price greeted me
at the door
464
00:34:13,347 --> 00:34:15,724
and it seemed like the studio
was almost deserted.
465
00:34:16,225 --> 00:34:18,185
I walked towards the back
and he said,
466
00:34:19,061 --> 00:34:22,273
"Well, yeah, Joe's been
very, very excited to meet you."
467
00:34:22,439 --> 00:34:26,569
And he took the control room
door and flung it open
468
00:34:26,735 --> 00:34:29,697
and said, "Ladies and gentlemen,
meet Joe Cocker."
469
00:34:30,155 --> 00:34:32,241
And there were these two legs
sticking out
470
00:34:32,408 --> 00:34:33,617
from under the console
471
00:34:34,326 --> 00:34:38,914
with these size 15, like,
brogans, work shoes.
472
00:34:39,873 --> 00:34:43,627
And he was sleeping very soundly
under the desk.
473
00:34:44,628 --> 00:34:47,464
However he spent his time,
it was not getting sleep
474
00:34:47,631 --> 00:34:49,174
and getting up in the morning
475
00:34:49,300 --> 00:34:53,095
to understand that he was going
to work, to say the least.
476
00:34:55,055 --> 00:34:56,140
We couldn't help it.
477
00:34:56,307 --> 00:34:58,350
All we wanted to do was make
as good a record as we could.
478
00:34:58,601 --> 00:35:01,812
I don't want to rub salt
in the wound, but Joe was...
479
00:35:02,438 --> 00:35:04,481
You know, he was wild.
480
00:35:05,774 --> 00:35:09,695
He was showing up
at odd hours.
481
00:35:10,988 --> 00:35:12,865
Sometimes he was able
to perform.
482
00:35:13,032 --> 00:35:14,700
Sometimes he wasn't able
to perform.
483
00:35:15,242 --> 00:35:18,537
And in some crazy way,
it's all on the record.
484
00:35:19,455 --> 00:35:21,248
It was like splicing a tape,
485
00:35:21,457 --> 00:35:25,252
one take from another take
and how we assembled the record.
486
00:35:25,794 --> 00:35:29,048
And Joe approved it,
but that's what it took
487
00:35:29,423 --> 00:35:31,884
to get the best out of him
at that time
488
00:35:32,009 --> 00:35:33,636
because he was a bit addled.
489
00:35:33,802 --> 00:35:35,387
He was like a big teddy bear.
490
00:35:35,554 --> 00:35:39,516
He was all frowzy and his hair
was going in all directions.
491
00:35:41,518 --> 00:35:46,607
He radiated nothing but
goodwill and sweetness to me.
492
00:35:47,858 --> 00:35:49,318
After we did the album,
493
00:35:49,485 --> 00:35:51,320
Jim said,
"How about doing a showcase?"
494
00:35:52,321 --> 00:35:55,991
It had been two, almost three
years since I'd been on a stage.
495
00:35:56,909 --> 00:35:58,869
It's not so great
to remember this one,
496
00:35:59,036 --> 00:36:01,038
but it was at the Roxy,
you know,
497
00:36:01,163 --> 00:36:04,833
and this was put together just
to present Joe to everybody,
498
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:06,502
to prove that he was back.
499
00:36:07,670 --> 00:36:11,090
And right before that weekend,
a friend of Joe's showed up
500
00:36:11,507 --> 00:36:13,133
who we know he used
to get drunk with
501
00:36:13,676 --> 00:36:17,930
and we tried to get this guy to
go to Palm Springs or something.
502
00:36:18,347 --> 00:36:20,307
We offered him a free weekend
in Palm Springs
503
00:36:20,474 --> 00:36:23,644
and he said, "No, I want
to be with Joe."
504
00:36:24,478 --> 00:36:28,774
And Joe showed up for that show
not prepared to perform.
505
00:36:29,900 --> 00:36:32,403
It was kind of a rough concert
506
00:36:32,986 --> 00:36:35,739
because I remember going out
on stage
507
00:36:35,906 --> 00:36:37,825
and he's in the middle
of the stage
508
00:36:38,033 --> 00:36:41,245
and he's weaving slightly
and I’d go...
509
00:36:50,295 --> 00:36:52,756
And Joe doesn't sing.
He doesn't do anything.
510
00:36:52,923 --> 00:36:53,924
He's just kind of like...
511
00:36:54,717 --> 00:36:57,010
I'll tell the whole truth here.
512
00:36:57,177 --> 00:37:00,264
He had a bottle
of Napoleon brandy in his hand.
513
00:37:01,515 --> 00:37:02,933
And the place was packed.
514
00:37:03,767 --> 00:37:05,728
And so he didn't sing,
so I went...
515
00:37:12,818 --> 00:37:14,236
And he didn't sing again.
516
00:37:15,654 --> 00:37:16,822
The evening ended
517
00:37:17,656 --> 00:37:20,909
with him kind of sitting down
in the middle of the stage
518
00:37:21,326 --> 00:37:23,412
and the show was over.
519
00:37:24,955 --> 00:37:28,333
He ended up on the stage
in a sort of foetal position.
520
00:37:29,460 --> 00:37:31,545
People were crying
and feeling for him.
521
00:37:31,712 --> 00:37:34,882
Some very famous people.
I don't want to mention names.
522
00:37:35,591 --> 00:37:37,968
But it was a colossal failure,
this show.
523
00:37:38,135 --> 00:37:41,889
I asked the curtains to be
closed and just forget about it.
524
00:37:42,765 --> 00:37:45,684
Everybody sort of drifted
into the night.
525
00:37:45,851 --> 00:37:47,770
And Jim Price came up
and announced,
526
00:37:47,936 --> 00:37:50,481
"I don't know what you guys are
doing, but I'm going fishing."
527
00:37:50,647 --> 00:37:53,358
I think he did because he
disappeared for about two years.
528
00:37:53,734 --> 00:37:56,612
He had really destroyed himself
in the eyes of the industry.
529
00:37:57,279 --> 00:38:00,491
With the entire business there,
to see him come back.
530
00:38:00,657 --> 00:38:04,745
It was just an unbelievably
tragic period for him.
531
00:38:28,101 --> 00:38:31,605
I was on my way to an airport
with Billy Joel
532
00:38:32,314 --> 00:38:35,150
and "You Are So Beautiful"
came on the radio.
533
00:38:36,068 --> 00:38:39,071
Billy said, "How many times
do they count this guy out?
534
00:38:39,238 --> 00:38:40,239
He keeps getting up."
535
00:38:40,405 --> 00:38:43,408
I remember thinking to myself,
"He's like a cockroach.
536
00:38:44,076 --> 00:38:45,327
Joe Cocker-oach."
537
00:38:45,494 --> 00:38:48,831
I didn't mean it in a mean way.
I meant like you can't kill it.
538
00:38:48,997 --> 00:38:50,332
I didn't know where he was.
539
00:38:50,499 --> 00:38:51,917
I never heard from him
for years.
540
00:38:52,084 --> 00:38:55,337
I was driving along
in my little car, broke.
541
00:38:55,879 --> 00:38:58,173
And all of a sudden,
on the radio comes
542
00:39:00,300 --> 00:39:01,718
"You Are So Beautiful...
543
00:39:03,387 --> 00:39:04,847
And I burst into tears.
544
00:39:06,181 --> 00:39:07,683
It was fantastic.
545
00:39:07,850 --> 00:39:10,936
And there was this magic note
at the end of the song
546
00:39:11,103 --> 00:39:14,731
where he goes,
"You are so beautiful to me!"
547
00:39:14,857 --> 00:39:19,361
He can barely hit the note,
but he hit it in a way
548
00:39:19,486 --> 00:39:23,490
that just defined everything
he had gone through.
549
00:39:49,182 --> 00:39:50,183
Thank you very much.
550
00:39:50,726 --> 00:39:52,269
Well, it was weird.
551
00:39:52,436 --> 00:39:54,855
I went through this phase.
552
00:39:55,022 --> 00:39:57,316
I was sick on stage
just about every night.
553
00:39:57,482 --> 00:39:59,318
- Every date we did.
- Yeah.
554
00:39:59,484 --> 00:40:00,694
It was a bit embarrassing.
555
00:40:00,861 --> 00:40:02,362
I had to leave
in the middle of the song,
556
00:40:02,529 --> 00:40:05,657
go round the back of the stage,
bring it up and back out again.
557
00:40:06,158 --> 00:40:07,367
I felt comfortable enough
558
00:40:07,492 --> 00:40:12,623
to probe about, "Why were you
getting sick at your shows?
559
00:40:12,789 --> 00:40:14,791
Why are you getting this press
560
00:40:15,334 --> 00:40:18,587
that is saying that Joe's career
is pretty much over,
561
00:40:18,712 --> 00:40:22,049
that he is a pathetic mess,
that he is wasted,
562
00:40:22,215 --> 00:40:25,510
that he is ripping off the fans
by not doing a show
563
00:40:25,677 --> 00:40:28,347
or not being in condition
to do a song properly?
564
00:40:28,764 --> 00:40:30,223
And you have to respond to that
565
00:40:30,349 --> 00:40:34,394
because you are charging people
money to see you perform.
566
00:40:34,853 --> 00:40:38,398
Not to see you plastered
and unable to work."
567
00:40:39,274 --> 00:40:41,985
He had been painted,
broad-brushed with this image
568
00:40:42,110 --> 00:40:45,113
of being this unreliable,
drunken, drugged-up,
569
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:46,823
washed-up performer.
570
00:40:47,574 --> 00:40:50,661
Jerry Moss was saying to get you
back on the road at first
571
00:40:50,827 --> 00:40:52,245
was more or less
a hard thing to do
572
00:40:52,412 --> 00:40:54,373
after such a long period
of being off.
573
00:40:54,539 --> 00:40:57,042
He got these worries that I was
turning into an alcoholic.
574
00:40:57,209 --> 00:41:00,879
And he asked me to go into
this hospital to get a check-up.
575
00:41:01,046 --> 00:41:01,880
Yeah.
576
00:41:02,047 --> 00:41:04,174
And the doctor wouldn't
let me out for three days.
577
00:41:04,341 --> 00:41:05,467
Nothing wrong with me.
578
00:41:06,093 --> 00:41:09,471
He came to my home
here in San Francisco
579
00:41:09,638 --> 00:41:11,556
and he showed up by himself,
580
00:41:12,015 --> 00:41:14,267
carrying a six-pack
of Heineken beer
581
00:41:14,685 --> 00:41:16,937
and proceeded
to sit and drink and talk.
582
00:41:17,354 --> 00:41:20,232
And this was
before his engagement
583
00:41:20,399 --> 00:41:21,775
that evening at the night club.
584
00:41:22,067 --> 00:41:23,694
And that just knocked me out.
585
00:41:23,860 --> 00:41:26,238
That of course opened up
the question of...
586
00:41:26,947 --> 00:41:31,952
"... you're enjoying quite a
few beers before showtime, huh?"
587
00:41:32,119 --> 00:41:33,996
"Well, it keeps my whistle wet.
588
00:41:34,162 --> 00:41:36,748
That's basically it.
It's just a professional tool."
589
00:41:36,915 --> 00:41:39,418
"All right, fine, Joe,
you're the performer, not me."
590
00:41:40,002 --> 00:41:42,170
People are reading a lot
into the new album,
591
00:41:42,337 --> 00:41:45,841
saying that you chose these
songs, they're confessional
592
00:41:45,966 --> 00:41:48,719
and self-exposing.
That kind of thing.
593
00:41:48,844 --> 00:41:50,387
Did you feel that yourself?
594
00:41:50,512 --> 00:41:52,597
If I'd written the songs,
I could see it that way.
595
00:41:52,848 --> 00:41:54,725
But the fact that it was
other people’s material,
596
00:41:54,891 --> 00:41:56,101
I can't read it like that.
597
00:43:19,142 --> 00:43:21,436
I got a call from Michael
Rosenfeld, his attorney,
598
00:43:22,270 --> 00:43:24,940
who said, "Joe really needs
help, he needs a manager.
599
00:43:25,065 --> 00:43:27,984
He needs someone who will care
about him. Are you interested?"
600
00:43:28,652 --> 00:43:30,695
And I remember the first time
I went to his house.
601
00:43:30,862 --> 00:43:32,364
It was in Hollywood.
602
00:43:33,115 --> 00:43:34,116
And...
603
00:43:34,950 --> 00:43:36,493
there were 20 people
living in his house.
604
00:43:37,786 --> 00:43:39,121
And he'd be drunk
under the piano.
605
00:43:40,122 --> 00:43:44,251
He was completely out of it
and paying for everything
606
00:43:44,417 --> 00:43:47,212
and not having really an income.
607
00:43:47,337 --> 00:43:50,340
People were encouraging
his drinking and his drugging.
608
00:43:50,507 --> 00:43:54,761
I knew my first mission was
to get him out of that.
609
00:43:56,096 --> 00:43:58,682
I’d go to that place,
got a bit scary, Nichols Canyon.
610
00:43:58,849 --> 00:44:01,852
You'd end up knowing about nine
or ten dealers in no time
611
00:44:02,018 --> 00:44:03,395
with it being so close
to Hollywood.
612
00:44:04,604 --> 00:44:06,314
These cats would come round.
613
00:44:06,481 --> 00:44:08,859
"Do you mind if we use your
piano?" They'd be rehearsing.
614
00:44:09,234 --> 00:44:10,861
So it got ridiculous, you know.
615
00:44:11,027 --> 00:44:11,862
While I was away,
616
00:44:11,987 --> 00:44:14,030
they learnt how to take
the window out and everything.
617
00:44:14,197 --> 00:44:15,532
- Oh, no.
- Just go in.
618
00:44:15,699 --> 00:44:17,951
I remember coming down one day
619
00:44:18,118 --> 00:44:20,036
and they were all sat
in the living room.
620
00:44:20,203 --> 00:44:21,955
I thought, "Oh, oh,
this is getting a bit weird. "
621
00:44:22,122 --> 00:44:24,332
Had he continued,
I can't see him
622
00:44:24,499 --> 00:44:26,543
living for much longer
at that pace.
623
00:44:27,169 --> 00:44:32,257
Cos the amount of drinking and,
I'm sure, drugs was huge.
624
00:45:10,253 --> 00:45:11,254
Good night!
625
00:45:23,516 --> 00:45:25,060
I thought a fresh start
would be good
626
00:45:25,227 --> 00:45:28,730
and I talked to Jerry about it
and just told him that, really.
627
00:45:30,398 --> 00:45:33,610
He needed to get out
from under all this debt and
628
00:45:34,194 --> 00:45:39,824
Jerry agreed and said,
"Go. Do it. Good luck."
629
00:45:40,575 --> 00:45:43,286
Well, I said,
"You're a brave man, you know.
630
00:45:43,453 --> 00:45:45,789
We've had a lot of ups and downs
with Joe.
631
00:45:47,332 --> 00:45:49,292
At his best, he's unbelievable,
you know,
632
00:45:49,417 --> 00:45:53,171
but to get him there
is a difficult road, you know."
633
00:45:53,296 --> 00:45:57,425
And I felt very strongly about
Joe as a talent.
634
00:45:57,592 --> 00:46:01,179
I'd gotten to know him over
the years and I believed in him,
635
00:46:01,346 --> 00:46:05,433
but Mike said and I agreed that
he needed to go somewhere else.
636
00:46:36,047 --> 00:46:38,466
In thinking about putting
a band together for him,
637
00:46:38,633 --> 00:46:39,968
to start working again,
638
00:46:40,135 --> 00:46:43,346
I didn't want to get
a bunch of rock'n'rollers
639
00:46:43,847 --> 00:46:46,766
who were out there
in the rock'n'roll world.
640
00:46:47,434 --> 00:46:51,062
So I found this band in Boston
called American Standard Band.
641
00:46:51,229 --> 00:46:54,024
They were good musicians,
solid kids. They were straight.
642
00:46:54,190 --> 00:46:56,234
They didn't drink.
They didn't do drugs. Nothing.
643
00:46:56,401 --> 00:46:59,779
I remember clear as day
that we were playing at a club
644
00:46:59,946 --> 00:47:01,781
in Worcester called
The Last Chance Saloon.
645
00:47:02,490 --> 00:47:05,410
And I'd seen Woodstock
a few days before.
646
00:47:06,453 --> 00:47:08,455
And in walks Michael Lang.
647
00:47:09,456 --> 00:47:11,708
And I said,
"Yeah, I know that guy."
648
00:47:11,875 --> 00:47:14,919
I brought Joe up there
to meet them and that went...
649
00:47:15,086 --> 00:47:17,589
You know, he was a little
out of it, but it went OK.
650
00:47:18,173 --> 00:47:21,009
They determined
they wanted a younger group
651
00:47:21,843 --> 00:47:23,345
without any baggage, I think.
652
00:47:23,511 --> 00:47:27,182
Again there was always
this elephant in the room,
653
00:47:27,349 --> 00:47:31,603
try to not have
Joe be around people
654
00:47:31,770 --> 00:47:33,730
that were gonna drag him down.
655
00:47:34,606 --> 00:47:36,232
The plan went awry
rather quickly
656
00:47:36,399 --> 00:47:37,692
because they augmented the band
657
00:47:37,859 --> 00:47:39,277
with Bobby Keys
and Nicky Hopkins
658
00:47:39,444 --> 00:47:41,279
who were coming right out
of The Rolling Stones.
659
00:47:42,155 --> 00:47:46,076
So now Joe had playmates.
660
00:47:46,534 --> 00:47:48,036
Welcome to Australia
for a start.
661
00:47:48,161 --> 00:47:49,120
Thank you, Ian.
662
00:47:49,621 --> 00:47:51,998
What does it feel like
to be back in a band
663
00:47:52,165 --> 00:47:53,249
like Joe Cocker's Band?
664
00:47:56,836 --> 00:47:58,713
Well, it was a compromise.
665
00:47:59,255 --> 00:48:02,592
I knew that I needed
the basis of the band
666
00:48:02,759 --> 00:48:06,846
to be straight, upright,
somewhat innocent.
667
00:48:07,639 --> 00:48:10,642
But I also knew that for Joe
and for the world at large
668
00:48:10,809 --> 00:48:12,894
to put him in the right frame
669
00:48:13,436 --> 00:48:16,689
that you needed some
heavyweight people with him,
670
00:48:17,315 --> 00:48:18,441
that he'd feel comfortable with,
671
00:48:18,566 --> 00:48:21,069
that he wouldn't feel like he
was going back to high school.
672
00:48:21,694 --> 00:48:23,321
And to a degree, you know,
it worked pretty well.
673
00:48:23,446 --> 00:48:25,698
I mean, you know,
if it had been a bunch of
674
00:48:25,824 --> 00:48:29,911
Nickys and Bobbys
in the rest of the band,
675
00:48:30,078 --> 00:48:31,913
it would have been
a complete disaster.
676
00:48:32,038 --> 00:48:33,498
And I don't think Joe
would have been able
677
00:48:33,623 --> 00:48:35,750
to relate to just the band
on their own.
678
00:48:36,543 --> 00:48:38,086
You know, he needed guys
to hang with.
679
00:48:38,253 --> 00:48:41,172
Hello!
Hello, Mabel!
680
00:48:56,271 --> 00:48:57,897
We made a deal
681
00:48:58,022 --> 00:49:00,984
that if he was ever drunk
before a show,
682
00:49:01,151 --> 00:49:02,360
I was gonna cancel the show.
683
00:49:03,528 --> 00:49:05,697
We found out rather quickly,
684
00:49:05,864 --> 00:49:07,407
and certainly I found
over the years,
685
00:49:07,574 --> 00:49:09,409
the last thing you'd tell Joe
686
00:49:09,993 --> 00:49:11,411
is not to do something.
687
00:49:12,495 --> 00:49:16,833
Joe was a guy
that there was no stop
688
00:49:17,333 --> 00:49:19,210
and if he wanted to drink,
he was gonna drink.
689
00:49:19,377 --> 00:49:21,629
If he was gonna do drugs,
he was gonna do drugs.
690
00:49:22,130 --> 00:49:25,175
And if anybody said no to him,
he did more.
691
00:49:34,309 --> 00:49:37,687
Joe never copped an attitude,
never once was the diva.
692
00:49:38,980 --> 00:49:41,524
He wasn't that way.
We were all in it together.
693
00:49:46,988 --> 00:49:48,323
Charming, charming guy.
694
00:49:48,948 --> 00:49:50,200
We used to talk about the fact
695
00:49:50,366 --> 00:49:53,828
that our nine or 12 square feet
on stage was sacred.
696
00:49:54,579 --> 00:49:57,749
You can fool with us out there.
697
00:49:58,666 --> 00:49:59,584
Not here.
698
00:50:02,295 --> 00:50:04,589
He was pretty strong
and his voice was coming back.
699
00:50:04,714 --> 00:50:06,758
And the shows were pretty good.
700
00:50:06,883 --> 00:50:08,843
Not that the drinking
was in hand,
701
00:50:09,010 --> 00:50:10,845
but it was certainly
in hand enough,
702
00:50:11,012 --> 00:50:12,597
so that he was
a stronger person
703
00:50:12,764 --> 00:50:14,807
and could deliver a better show.
704
00:50:15,642 --> 00:50:18,811
I had taped the shows and
I was able to make a record deal
705
00:50:18,978 --> 00:50:20,605
based on those tapes.
706
00:51:18,705 --> 00:51:21,541
When I first moved
to Santa Barbara,
707
00:51:22,166 --> 00:51:24,335
I rented a house
from Jane Fonda.
708
00:51:25,044 --> 00:51:28,506
He didn't have all that great
a reputation at the time!
709
00:51:29,090 --> 00:51:31,759
In fact,
there was a lawsuit against him
710
00:51:31,926 --> 00:51:34,345
for a house that he had been
staying in in Malibu
711
00:51:34,512 --> 00:51:36,723
that got trashed,
totally trashed.
712
00:51:37,599 --> 00:51:39,809
But you know,
I was a fan of Joe's and
713
00:51:40,393 --> 00:51:43,938
I just really wanted to meet him
and so I really pushed for it
714
00:51:44,105 --> 00:51:49,277
and I was the one speaking
with his management at the time
715
00:51:49,444 --> 00:51:54,616
and I said, "Well, maybe
if he put up a really large
716
00:51:54,907 --> 00:51:57,577
security deposit,
we could work something out."
717
00:51:58,703 --> 00:52:00,121
He was just very dear.
718
00:52:00,288 --> 00:52:05,001
He was really, really,
very sweet, a really nice man,
719
00:52:05,168 --> 00:52:08,254
and over the course
of the next six months or so
720
00:52:08,421 --> 00:52:11,883
we just became better friends
and started going out to dinner,
721
00:52:12,008 --> 00:52:13,843
and yeah, dating a little bit,
722
00:52:13,968 --> 00:52:16,137
but then he'd be off
and he'd be gone
723
00:52:16,304 --> 00:52:20,516
for six, eight, ten weeks
while he was on the road.
724
00:52:21,684 --> 00:52:24,646
Then he'd come back and we'd
start to see each other again.
725
00:52:24,771 --> 00:52:27,357
So it went on like that
for quite a few years, actually.
726
00:52:27,523 --> 00:52:29,651
The first time we ever met her,
727
00:52:29,817 --> 00:52:36,658
I was just totally surprised
at the sort of person she was.
728
00:52:36,824 --> 00:52:41,037
You know, so organised
and together,
729
00:52:41,204 --> 00:52:44,666
compared to a lot of the people
he'd been with.
730
00:52:45,625 --> 00:52:51,214
I'd never quite seen Joe ever
having that sort of partner,
731
00:52:51,381 --> 00:52:52,757
but it was what he needed.
732
00:52:53,925 --> 00:52:56,302
Joe had a terrible habit
733
00:52:56,469 --> 00:53:00,181
and it was partly, I guess,
the English upbringing,
734
00:53:00,306 --> 00:53:03,351
but he would always introduce me
as his "old lady".
735
00:53:03,768 --> 00:53:07,772
And I just hated that,
as you can imagine.
736
00:53:08,356 --> 00:53:09,857
And I said, "You know,
737
00:53:10,858 --> 00:53:14,862
call me your partner,
call me your significant."
738
00:53:15,029 --> 00:53:18,533
Anything! And so it ended up
he started doing it
739
00:53:18,700 --> 00:53:21,828
just more as a joke to make me
mad than anything else,
740
00:53:21,994 --> 00:53:24,122
but I'll never forget
when he did ask me to marry him.
741
00:53:24,247 --> 00:53:27,542
We were down in Australia
and he goes, "I guess
742
00:53:27,709 --> 00:53:30,878
I'll have to marry you if
I can't call you my old lady."
743
00:53:31,045 --> 00:53:33,715
So, he says,
"Then I can call you my wife."
744
00:53:33,840 --> 00:53:36,134
And that was really sweet.
745
00:53:49,897 --> 00:53:53,484
After a number of years,
he was back as a person
746
00:53:53,651 --> 00:53:56,195
and getting his confidence back
747
00:53:56,404 --> 00:54:00,074
and it was like watching someone
come back to life, frankly,
748
00:54:00,700 --> 00:54:03,119
someone who you kind of knew
was heading the other way.
749
00:54:04,245 --> 00:54:06,664
When you go on tour,
is it only hard work?
750
00:54:06,789 --> 00:54:07,749
- No, no...
- Or is it fun?
751
00:54:07,874 --> 00:54:09,333
We do have a lot of fun.
That's the danger.
752
00:54:09,500 --> 00:54:11,127
You can have too much fun.
753
00:54:24,849 --> 00:54:25,892
A lot of musicians...
754
00:54:26,017 --> 00:54:28,644
We look at singers like,
"They're just yelling in key."
755
00:54:28,811 --> 00:54:32,148
Joe had an instrument in there
and we appreciated it,
756
00:54:32,273 --> 00:54:34,150
we understood it, we got it.
757
00:54:34,692 --> 00:54:36,986
Wow, nobody sounds like that.
758
00:54:37,111 --> 00:54:40,281
For me, it was just pure soul,
whatever that means, you know.
759
00:54:40,448 --> 00:54:43,701
Pure heart. I don't think
he could sing any other way.
760
00:54:43,868 --> 00:54:46,829
Somebody described him
as "the original man",
761
00:54:46,996 --> 00:54:48,915
which was the man...
762
00:54:49,081 --> 00:54:51,292
This is how the average bloke
763
00:54:51,417 --> 00:54:54,921
would like to sound after he'd
had three or four pints, yes.
764
00:54:55,129 --> 00:54:59,342
To me, he was
like a jazz singer, really.
765
00:54:59,509 --> 00:55:01,928
He literally got inside
766
00:55:03,054 --> 00:55:05,097
the piece of music
he was performing
767
00:55:05,640 --> 00:55:07,475
and it sort of took him over.
768
00:55:07,642 --> 00:55:11,896
The actual voice just has
something in it.
769
00:55:12,063 --> 00:55:14,816
I mean, if it wasn't
indefinable,
770
00:55:14,982 --> 00:55:17,360
then everybody else would be
able to do it, I suppose.
771
00:55:22,406 --> 00:55:24,158
Let's go back to number 25
with a song
772
00:55:24,325 --> 00:55:25,701
which is destined
to be number one,
773
00:55:25,827 --> 00:55:27,078
being sung live by a gentleman
774
00:55:27,203 --> 00:55:29,163
who hasn't been on
"Top of the Pops" for 15 years.
775
00:55:29,330 --> 00:55:31,666
Welcome back to Joe Cocker
with Jennifer Warnes.
776
00:55:31,916 --> 00:55:34,919
I got a call about a film called
'An Officer And A Gentleman".
777
00:55:35,086 --> 00:55:37,755
And they wanted Joe
to do a title song.
778
00:55:37,922 --> 00:55:40,925
We were on tour and
Joe wasn't that excited about
779
00:55:41,050 --> 00:55:42,552
stopping the tour
to go and record.
780
00:55:42,718 --> 00:55:45,555
Actually, he hated it
when he was asked to do it.
781
00:55:45,721 --> 00:55:48,850
He thought at the time, he
wondered whether it was right.
782
00:55:49,016 --> 00:55:50,309
Finally they found a space
and got him
783
00:55:50,434 --> 00:55:51,811
slipped him right into
the studio one day
784
00:55:51,936 --> 00:55:54,689
and just, you know,
"Joe, we're here, we're going."
785
00:56:22,300 --> 00:56:23,843
The first time I heard it,
786
00:56:24,010 --> 00:56:26,846
he sort of pulled it out
of a bag and put it on.
787
00:56:27,471 --> 00:56:30,516
It was immediately clear
to me that it was a hit.
788
00:56:31,183 --> 00:56:35,021
And he just sort of nodded.
I think he knew it was as well.
789
00:56:54,206 --> 00:56:55,625
One thing we can do right here,
790
00:56:55,750 --> 00:56:58,294
we're going to solo up Joe
791
00:56:58,461 --> 00:57:00,546
and hear how he started
the song.
792
00:57:06,427 --> 00:57:07,345
This is the ad lib.
793
00:57:11,974 --> 00:57:14,268
You hear a little squeaking
in his voice. Hear that.
794
00:57:22,693 --> 00:57:26,989
We'd always sort of been looking
for a Ray song to do.
795
00:57:27,156 --> 00:57:30,284
I think it was Charlie and I
were on an airplane going to LA
796
00:57:30,451 --> 00:57:32,453
when it struck me,
"Unchain My Heart...
797
00:57:32,578 --> 00:57:33,371
Perfect for him.
798
00:57:33,496 --> 00:57:35,081
I have to give
Michael Lang credit.
799
00:57:35,581 --> 00:57:36,916
I would like to take credit,
800
00:57:37,375 --> 00:57:39,377
you know, because we are
in show business
801
00:57:39,543 --> 00:57:41,587
and you're supposed to take
the credit whenever you can.
802
00:57:56,894 --> 00:57:59,855
Well, Ray's been called
a genius.
803
00:58:00,564 --> 00:58:02,358
That word's been slung around
a lot.
804
00:58:02,650 --> 00:58:04,235
I mean, you know,
he's a god to me,
805
00:58:04,360 --> 00:58:07,863
but, I mean,
a genius he certainly is.
806
00:58:08,030 --> 00:58:11,534
Always hitting at me, "Don't you
think he sounds like you?"
807
00:58:11,701 --> 00:58:12,910
And I say, "Well, if he does,
808
00:58:13,035 --> 00:58:14,954
he's the best replica
in the whole world."
809
00:58:15,121 --> 00:58:17,331
- And I mean that.
- God bless you for it.
810
00:58:18,165 --> 00:58:21,127
You know, they were definitely
soul brothers.
811
00:58:22,378 --> 00:58:25,256
Ray said, "This kid's been
sleeping with my albums."
812
00:58:25,381 --> 00:58:26,882
It was true!
He had been.
813
00:58:27,008 --> 00:58:29,969
You know, he would always
go back to Ray Charles,
814
00:58:30,094 --> 00:58:33,305
he'd go back to Aretha,
back to Donny Hathaway.
815
00:58:33,806 --> 00:58:35,558
You know and study those guys.
816
00:58:36,183 --> 00:58:38,978
He loved the blues and
that's all he would listen to.
817
00:58:39,645 --> 00:58:43,482
He had a big voice and
he had instincts for the blues
818
00:58:43,649 --> 00:58:45,651
that were impeccable.
819
00:59:11,552 --> 00:59:13,012
- Yeah, baby.
- He's always got...
820
00:59:13,137 --> 00:59:15,264
I always wanted to sing
like Ray Charles.
821
00:59:15,431 --> 00:59:18,142
That was my guy.
I thought he had the best voice.
822
00:59:18,267 --> 00:59:20,061
A lot of other people thought
the same thing,
823
00:59:20,186 --> 00:59:21,729
they thought Ray Charles
was the best singer.
824
00:59:21,896 --> 00:59:24,148
And we were all trying to sound
like Ray Charles.
825
00:59:24,648 --> 00:59:27,777
The only guy who even got close
was Joe Cocker.
826
00:59:34,700 --> 00:59:35,743
"Some fella."
827
00:59:41,207 --> 00:59:44,960
Watching Joe in the studio
was like watching a concert.
828
00:59:45,544 --> 00:59:48,756
It was the same movement,
just like he was on stage.
829
00:59:48,923 --> 00:59:52,802
And he would just sing
with every ounce
830
00:59:52,968 --> 00:59:56,347
of sweat and blood
and whatever else he had.
831
01:00:40,266 --> 01:00:41,350
Joe could do an album
832
01:00:41,475 --> 01:00:44,645
of all songs that have been done
by other people
833
01:00:44,770 --> 01:00:47,231
and it could be a great album
834
01:00:47,815 --> 01:00:52,278
because when he sings a song
and the song's arranged for him,
835
01:00:52,486 --> 01:00:57,867
it takes a different turn.
It takes on a life of its own.
836
01:00:58,033 --> 01:01:03,164
It's an honour when someone
of that quality does your stuff.
837
01:01:04,248 --> 01:01:06,250
There aren't many people
of that quality, really.
838
01:01:06,917 --> 01:01:10,212
No, really. That have some
emotional impact every time out.
839
01:01:10,379 --> 01:01:12,298
There are very few singers
840
01:01:12,423 --> 01:01:15,843
who have made it by covering
other people's material
841
01:01:16,177 --> 01:01:17,928
and therefore that has to take
842
01:01:18,053 --> 01:01:20,347
a particularly
extraordinary talent, really.
843
01:01:21,223 --> 01:01:23,767
And Joe certainly is
at the forefront of that.
844
01:01:42,995 --> 01:01:46,749
I started thinking of
a 20th anniversary for Woodstock
845
01:01:46,916 --> 01:01:49,793
and what I'd sort of
come up with was
846
01:01:49,960 --> 01:01:53,589
this idea of doing a show
at the Berlin Wall.
847
01:01:53,756 --> 01:01:55,466
Actually, over the Berlin Wall.
848
01:01:56,050 --> 01:01:58,510
There had been concerts
at the Reichstagsgelände,
849
01:01:58,677 --> 01:02:02,097
which was a big building just on
the western side of the wall.
850
01:02:02,264 --> 01:02:04,391
Michael Jackson, a lot
of big acts were playing it,
851
01:02:04,558 --> 01:02:09,730
but kids on the eastern side of
the wall were close to rioting,
852
01:02:09,897 --> 01:02:11,649
you know, just to hear
the music.
853
01:02:14,610 --> 01:02:17,571
The army built the site
in East Berlin.
854
01:02:18,572 --> 01:02:21,408
An hour before the show, there
was nobody in the audience.
855
01:02:21,533 --> 01:02:23,994
An hour later, a couple
of hundred thousand kids there.
856
01:03:12,626 --> 01:03:14,128
THANK YOU, JOE!
857
01:03:22,970 --> 01:03:24,054
GREETINGS, JOE COCKER
858
01:03:24,179 --> 01:03:27,850
After that, Joe was
well-established in Germany
859
01:03:28,017 --> 01:03:29,601
and they did embrace him.
860
01:03:29,977 --> 01:03:33,897
And it was the cornerstone
of Joe's European success.
861
01:03:42,823 --> 01:03:45,034
Joe, you know,
he gave everything
862
01:03:45,743 --> 01:03:48,078
for that two hours on stage.
863
01:03:48,245 --> 01:03:52,333
It didn't matter if there was
ten people or there was 16,000.
864
01:03:52,583 --> 01:03:55,586
Joe would just come alive
on the stage.
865
01:03:55,711 --> 01:03:58,505
In fact, he would go
into a trance on the stage.
866
01:03:59,006 --> 01:04:01,508
Once he was on stage,
he was another person.
867
01:04:13,020 --> 01:04:14,688
I'd be at the side of the stage
868
01:04:14,855 --> 01:04:18,692
and Joe would come off twice
during the show.
869
01:04:18,859 --> 01:04:22,696
And it was my chance to say,
"Joe, how's the lights?
870
01:04:22,821 --> 01:04:24,365
The mics? Everything good?
871
01:04:24,490 --> 01:04:26,742
Is the bass too loud?
The drummer..."
872
01:04:26,867 --> 01:04:30,788
We would go through that.
And Joe would be in a trance.
873
01:04:31,038 --> 01:04:33,082
He would just turn around
and go right back out there
874
01:04:33,207 --> 01:04:34,875
towel himself off
and go back out.
875
01:04:36,251 --> 01:04:40,547
It was a big awakening to me
of what this job entailed
876
01:04:40,714 --> 01:04:44,176
because it entailed
looking after Joe and I had
877
01:04:44,426 --> 01:04:48,180
some idea
of what that may have been,
878
01:04:48,305 --> 01:04:52,476
but it definitely was
an eye-opener for me.
879
01:04:53,227 --> 01:04:55,145
It was up to me
to keep Joe in line,
880
01:04:55,270 --> 01:04:58,899
to know where he was,
to make sure he was eating,
881
01:04:59,066 --> 01:05:00,401
just everything about him.
882
01:05:01,110 --> 01:05:03,237
You know, as Pam would say,
883
01:05:03,695 --> 01:05:05,239
"His other wife."
884
01:05:06,448 --> 01:05:09,243
Cos when we were gone, she'd
say, "You've got him now, Ray."
885
01:05:09,827 --> 01:05:12,913
You know those nights
when you can't face the world?
886
01:05:15,958 --> 01:05:17,543
And someone wakes you up
and says,
887
01:05:17,668 --> 01:05:19,545
"Joe, you're on stage
in five minutes."
888
01:05:21,755 --> 01:05:23,590
Thank God I got some friends.
889
01:05:43,152 --> 01:05:46,363
We were somewhere in Europe
and...
890
01:05:46,655 --> 01:05:49,032
I think Michael added
some extra dates in,
891
01:05:49,158 --> 01:05:51,285
moved things around
and Joe didn't want to do it.
892
01:05:51,994 --> 01:05:54,663
And he...
he'd really had enough.
893
01:05:54,830 --> 01:05:57,624
And he just decided to make
a move after that tour was done
894
01:05:57,791 --> 01:06:00,377
and change management.
895
01:06:01,128 --> 01:06:01,962
I got a letter.
896
01:06:03,547 --> 01:06:04,673
From a lawyer.
897
01:06:06,758 --> 01:06:07,634
That was it.
898
01:06:08,385 --> 01:06:10,554
I would have expected him
to have been the one
899
01:06:10,679 --> 01:06:12,598
to pick up the phone
and say something,
900
01:06:12,723 --> 01:06:15,976
but once it was done
I think he just went on.
901
01:06:16,977 --> 01:06:18,520
I have to give
Michael Lang credit
902
01:06:18,645 --> 01:06:21,690
because he was responsible
903
01:06:21,815 --> 01:06:25,027
for Joe being alive
at that time.
904
01:06:25,194 --> 01:06:28,322
I mean, Michael was the man.
905
01:06:28,447 --> 01:06:32,993
I loved him as an artist
and as a person.
906
01:06:34,661 --> 01:06:36,705
It certainly went
beyond business, I'd say.
907
01:06:36,872 --> 01:06:39,500
You don't go through the things
that we went through
908
01:06:40,459 --> 01:06:42,794
for all those years
just as a business.
909
01:06:44,922 --> 01:06:47,466
But I have no regrets.
910
01:06:47,591 --> 01:06:51,220
When he left Michael Lang, he
never talked to Michael again.
911
01:06:52,095 --> 01:06:55,015
And I saw that
with band members
912
01:06:55,140 --> 01:06:59,019
and with other people
that were close to Joe.
913
01:06:59,186 --> 01:07:02,564
Once he closed the door,
that was it.
914
01:07:03,023 --> 01:07:07,611
He could be very emotional
about certain things
915
01:07:07,736 --> 01:07:10,030
and other times he could be very
cold about things.
916
01:07:11,323 --> 01:07:12,783
Especially relationships.
917
01:07:13,033 --> 01:07:15,536
So it was hard
to really know him.
918
01:07:16,078 --> 01:07:18,288
To really know him.
Know his heart.
919
01:07:43,063 --> 01:07:44,731
So here we are with Roger
920
01:07:45,399 --> 01:07:48,735
and Roger had been
with Tina Turner now
921
01:07:49,152 --> 01:07:52,197
and had brought her
from almost obscurity
922
01:07:52,322 --> 01:07:55,075
back into view of the world,
basically,
923
01:07:55,200 --> 01:07:56,827
as an international artist.
924
01:07:56,994 --> 01:07:59,288
So we followed in that track.
925
01:08:16,346 --> 01:08:19,266
You know, we cleaned...
I say cleaned Joe up.
926
01:08:19,433 --> 01:08:22,686
We dressed him now
with more flashy clothes
927
01:08:22,894 --> 01:08:24,605
and we had more production.
928
01:08:25,439 --> 01:08:27,941
And it brought everything
up another level,
929
01:08:28,066 --> 01:08:31,278
which supported Joe
into finding his way
930
01:08:31,445 --> 01:08:33,697
to being
this international artist.
931
01:08:33,947 --> 01:08:34,656
TODAY
932
01:08:48,462 --> 01:08:50,881
We, literally, were on the road,
933
01:08:51,006 --> 01:08:54,635
doing 170 shows maybe a year.
934
01:08:56,094 --> 01:08:57,471
Really pumping it.
935
01:09:20,327 --> 01:09:24,164
The '90s were when he was
just touring almost non-stop.
936
01:09:24,706 --> 01:09:27,167
And we had moved here
to Colorado
937
01:09:27,334 --> 01:09:29,711
by that time in '94.
938
01:09:31,296 --> 01:09:35,842
But it was never more than,
I'd say, four or five weeks
939
01:09:36,343 --> 01:09:38,512
that either
he didn't get to come home
940
01:09:38,679 --> 01:09:40,931
or I went to visit him.
941
01:09:41,473 --> 01:09:44,017
But that's how it was
our entire marriage,
942
01:09:44,142 --> 01:09:47,646
our entire 38 years
that we were together.
943
01:09:48,689 --> 01:09:51,358
Joe just was really crazy
about it.
944
01:09:51,525 --> 01:09:54,236
He just loved it here
in Colorado.
945
01:09:54,486 --> 01:09:55,862
And loved the hiking.
946
01:09:56,029 --> 01:09:57,864
And we got our first dog,
947
01:09:58,031 --> 01:10:01,034
which was very important
for Joe.
948
01:10:01,535 --> 01:10:05,372
He got into gardening.
That became such a passion!
949
01:10:06,206 --> 01:10:09,459
It was the Isolation,
it was the fact that he could
950
01:10:09,960 --> 01:10:13,171
walk out this door
and walk into those mountains.
951
01:10:13,714 --> 01:10:16,675
He could walk for days
and never see another soul.
952
01:10:17,050 --> 01:10:18,593
And when he did see people,
953
01:10:18,760 --> 01:10:22,097
he was just a neighbour,
he was just Joe.
954
01:10:22,514 --> 01:10:24,307
He could just totally forget
955
01:10:24,474 --> 01:10:28,353
that he was even involved in the
music business when he was here.
956
01:10:50,375 --> 01:10:52,085
Joe was still drinking.
957
01:10:52,669 --> 01:10:54,421
He was drinking a lot.
958
01:10:55,255 --> 01:10:56,256
And...
959
01:10:56,423 --> 01:10:59,593
It was really difficult
for everybody involved
960
01:10:59,760 --> 01:11:04,014
because the shows were good,
961
01:11:04,723 --> 01:11:06,099
and some weren't so good.
962
01:11:08,602 --> 01:11:11,563
He would be drinking on stage
while performing and
963
01:11:11,688 --> 01:11:15,025
he would go through seven, eight
beers at the time on stage.
964
01:11:15,150 --> 01:11:18,987
I remember guys running out as
soon as Joe's cup was empty.
965
01:11:19,821 --> 01:11:23,241
One of the roadies would run out
to fill the cup with beer again.
966
01:11:23,992 --> 01:11:27,204
And between the lights,
the stress, the heat,
967
01:11:27,370 --> 01:11:29,206
Joe would get sick all the time.
968
01:11:29,414 --> 01:11:31,458
He'd suddenly disappear
in the middle of a song
969
01:11:31,583 --> 01:11:32,959
and run round the back
970
01:11:33,126 --> 01:11:37,631
and some guy had a bucket
for him, ready to throw up in.
971
01:11:37,839 --> 01:11:42,969
And we would gauge the show
by how many buckets,
972
01:11:43,136 --> 01:11:44,805
meaning how many times
did Joe throw up
973
01:11:44,971 --> 01:11:46,556
and the crew had to clean it up.
974
01:11:46,765 --> 01:11:49,184
Then after the show,
we'd go out to eat
975
01:11:49,309 --> 01:11:50,936
and he'd start the drinking.
976
01:11:51,061 --> 01:11:53,814
I'd be in a restaurant with him
977
01:11:53,980 --> 01:11:57,150
and he'd down a bottle
before the food came.
978
01:11:57,818 --> 01:12:01,321
Then he'd get another bottle
of Bacardi and start on that.
979
01:12:02,322 --> 01:12:06,076
There were times that
we'd have to keep an eye on him,
980
01:12:06,743 --> 01:12:07,828
every minute.
981
01:12:09,329 --> 01:12:11,665
I would have to have
a key to his room.
982
01:12:11,790 --> 01:12:14,918
It was frightening at times.
983
01:12:15,460 --> 01:12:16,920
You know, I never knew
984
01:12:17,087 --> 01:12:19,714
what I was going to find
when I walked in that room.
985
01:12:20,465 --> 01:12:22,884
And sometimes it was really bad.
986
01:12:23,093 --> 01:12:27,222
It was rare when Joe drank
to excess here,
987
01:12:27,430 --> 01:12:28,515
when he was home.
988
01:12:29,015 --> 01:12:30,851
He knew I didn't like it
for one thing
989
01:12:31,017 --> 01:12:32,602
and, you know,
the pressure was off
990
01:12:33,353 --> 01:12:36,356
But when he started gearing up
for another tour
991
01:12:36,857 --> 01:12:38,733
or working on a new album
992
01:12:38,900 --> 01:12:40,861
and the pressure
would start to build,
993
01:12:41,444 --> 01:12:43,780
then he would tend
to drink more.
994
01:12:46,283 --> 01:12:48,535
He had the demons, you know.
995
01:12:48,660 --> 01:12:53,123
Joe had the demons that would
come out every now and then.
996
01:12:53,832 --> 01:12:58,128
And he would get dark and
wouldn't come out of his room
997
01:12:58,295 --> 01:13:02,048
or would prefer to just be
by himself and just walk
998
01:13:02,215 --> 01:13:04,384
or just wander, I should say.
999
01:13:05,218 --> 01:13:10,348
You know, we always thought
maybe you should go to AA,
1000
01:13:10,515 --> 01:13:12,058
see a psychiatrist.
1001
01:13:12,851 --> 01:13:14,561
You know, some help.
1002
01:13:15,061 --> 01:13:18,273
But Joe was totally against
any of that.
1003
01:13:18,398 --> 01:13:21,776
He says, "No, I can control it
myself I can do it."
1004
01:13:21,943 --> 01:13:24,946
We'd come back here
and he'd be fine
1005
01:13:25,071 --> 01:13:27,032
and then it was just like, well,
1006
01:13:27,198 --> 01:13:30,285
he's just a social drinker
when he's here.
1007
01:13:30,452 --> 01:13:33,788
He never really takes it
to extremes.
1008
01:13:35,123 --> 01:13:40,211
So then you'd forget about it,
until the next situation.
1009
01:13:55,894 --> 01:13:59,356
We had a party here.
It was the first of March.
1010
01:13:59,522 --> 01:14:02,108
And we were getting ready
to go on tour
1011
01:14:02,275 --> 01:14:08,073
and, for some reason, Joe
started drinking that afternoon.
1012
01:14:08,323 --> 01:14:10,450
And was drinking and drinking
and drinking.
1013
01:14:10,575 --> 01:14:13,578
By the time the guests arrived
around six o'clock,
1014
01:14:13,703 --> 01:14:16,957
he was already
pretty well drunk.
1015
01:14:17,624 --> 01:14:19,501
Before we even sat down
for dinner,
1016
01:14:20,418 --> 01:14:22,629
I had to help him upstairs
to bed.
1017
01:14:22,837 --> 01:14:25,382
Pam sort of gave Joe
an ultimatum.
1018
01:14:25,548 --> 01:14:28,593
You know, "Either you shape up
or it's over."
1019
01:14:29,302 --> 01:14:31,888
And Joe shaped up.
1020
01:14:32,055 --> 01:14:34,975
He called me and said, "I'm
gonna quit drinking this week,
1021
01:14:35,141 --> 01:14:40,355
so don't schedule anything.
I wanna try this."
1022
01:14:40,563 --> 01:14:45,193
I spent about a year
in disbelief,
1023
01:14:45,318 --> 01:14:48,989
thinking
this is not going to last.
1024
01:14:49,739 --> 01:14:52,575
And then I think I spent
the second year
1025
01:14:53,618 --> 01:14:55,286
being really mad at him.
1026
01:14:56,121 --> 01:14:58,164
Not mad that he wasn't drinking,
1027
01:14:58,331 --> 01:15:01,001
but mad that he could do it
so easily.
1028
01:15:01,167 --> 01:15:05,088
Why hadn't that happened
15 years before?
1029
01:15:05,672 --> 01:15:08,842
And then I finally realised,
"No, he's serious.
1030
01:15:09,009 --> 01:15:11,678
This is it. This is the new
Joe. This is our new life.
1031
01:15:11,845 --> 01:15:15,932
This is our new relationship. "
And I just was so thankful.
1032
01:15:17,350 --> 01:15:20,895
Joe realised, after he had
stopped drinking for a while,
1033
01:15:21,062 --> 01:15:24,107
and Roger was really
instrumental in showing Joe,
1034
01:15:24,274 --> 01:15:26,151
"Joe, if you pull this together,
1035
01:15:26,276 --> 01:15:29,446
you can be a major
international artist."
1036
01:15:29,612 --> 01:15:32,282
And he also realised,
1037
01:15:32,490 --> 01:15:34,826
that, "I can sing 'Little Help'
every night."
1038
01:15:35,410 --> 01:15:38,246
That was always an indicator,
"A Little Help",
1039
01:15:38,413 --> 01:15:40,206
because of the scream
at the end.
1040
01:15:40,790 --> 01:15:44,502
I think that was a factor
in Joe's sobriety.
1041
01:15:45,128 --> 01:15:48,381
When Joe realised
he couldn't hit the high note,
1042
01:15:48,548 --> 01:15:51,551
the scream,
that he had to do something.
1043
01:16:01,227 --> 01:16:04,064
What they wanted Joe to perform
was 'A Little Help",
1044
01:16:04,230 --> 01:16:09,069
which Joe would never perform
outside of a stage performance,
1045
01:16:09,235 --> 01:16:12,906
meaning it took Joe 19 songs
to warm up
1046
01:16:13,073 --> 01:16:16,034
in order to hit the scream
at the end of it.
1047
01:16:22,457 --> 01:16:26,127
What changed Joe's mind was
the Queen! As simple as that.
1048
01:16:26,294 --> 01:16:28,713
"It's my Queen.
I'm gonna do it."
1049
01:16:43,269 --> 01:16:47,482
Joe's adrenaline was working
and I think that did it for him.
1050
01:16:50,235 --> 01:16:53,613
Joe was so proud
to be a part of it.
1051
01:16:53,780 --> 01:16:55,782
With all his peers.
1052
01:16:55,949 --> 01:17:01,412
Between Clapton, McCartney,
Paul, Sir Paul and Phil Collins.
1053
01:17:02,122 --> 01:17:03,957
Just everybody was there.
1054
01:17:04,124 --> 01:17:05,583
You know, Joe was very pleased
1055
01:17:05,708 --> 01:17:08,753
and felt like he still had
his heart in England.
1056
01:17:40,285 --> 01:17:42,162
Here in Colorado,
our neighbours
1057
01:17:42,328 --> 01:17:44,289
and people that became
our friends
1058
01:17:44,414 --> 01:17:45,999
certainly knew his history,
1059
01:17:46,166 --> 01:17:49,002
but they weren't obsessed by it.
1060
01:17:49,544 --> 01:17:52,088
It didn't matter to them at all.
1061
01:17:52,255 --> 01:17:54,632
It mattered
that we were good neighbours,
1062
01:17:54,757 --> 01:17:56,551
that we were
part of the community
1063
01:17:57,177 --> 01:17:58,428
and Joe really liked that.
1064
01:17:58,595 --> 01:18:00,263
He liked being part
of a community.
1065
01:18:00,555 --> 01:18:03,099
He liked that his friends were
the local plumber
1066
01:18:03,224 --> 01:18:05,894
and the electrician
and the real estate agent
1067
01:18:06,019 --> 01:18:08,938
and the little country lawyer.
1068
01:18:09,063 --> 01:18:10,481
He just loved those guys.
1069
01:18:10,607 --> 01:18:14,194
And it made Joe a better person
to have that kind of support.
1070
01:18:14,861 --> 01:18:19,324
He loved the air, he loved
the blues in the sky.
1071
01:18:19,532 --> 01:18:22,994
He'd just go, "Look at that sky.
It's just so incredible."
1072
01:18:23,786 --> 01:18:27,457
So I think it made him happy.
It really made him happy.
1073
01:18:27,665 --> 01:18:29,667
He was content with himself
and he said,
1074
01:18:29,834 --> 01:18:32,045
"I think I've become
a mountain man."
1075
01:18:35,256 --> 01:18:37,300
That was when he was most
at peace,
1076
01:18:37,425 --> 01:18:39,302
walking the trails
with his dogs.
1077
01:18:54,901 --> 01:18:58,404
He was on the road and he'd been
playing for seven nights.
1078
01:18:58,988 --> 01:19:02,075
And he came in
on the eighth day.
1079
01:19:02,200 --> 01:19:03,284
It's kind of biblical!
1080
01:19:04,452 --> 01:19:06,329
He came in on the eighth day
1081
01:19:07,080 --> 01:19:09,540
and recorded "The Moon's
A Harsh Mistress" with us.
1082
01:19:38,778 --> 01:19:41,990
His voice reminded me of
1083
01:19:42,198 --> 01:19:44,409
a Civil War battle flag.
1084
01:19:44,951 --> 01:19:48,121
You know, it's still intact,
it's completely intact,
1085
01:19:48,413 --> 01:19:53,293
but it's been shot at
and it's got some torn bits
1086
01:19:53,459 --> 01:19:55,795
at the edges
that are sort of streaming off.
1087
01:19:57,338 --> 01:20:00,258
It was like a voice
that had been through a war.
1088
01:20:00,925 --> 01:20:03,261
This voice has fought
the good fight.
1089
01:20:04,053 --> 01:20:06,055
This voice has never given up
1090
01:20:06,222 --> 01:20:08,474
and it's not giving up
today either, you know.
1091
01:20:08,975 --> 01:20:11,769
I kept thanking him
over and over for coming in.
1092
01:20:11,894 --> 01:20:13,730
I kept hugging him
and hugging him.
1093
01:20:14,188 --> 01:20:16,149
You know,
I didn't want to let him go.
1094
01:21:41,901 --> 01:21:45,613
We did a wonderful show
in Cologne.
1095
01:21:46,364 --> 01:21:48,533
And it just was spectacular.
1096
01:21:48,658 --> 01:21:51,285
Everything went off
exactly as we wanted it.
1097
01:21:51,411 --> 01:21:53,871
It looked fabulous,
Joe sang well.
1098
01:21:55,039 --> 01:21:57,959
16,000-plus there that night.
1099
01:22:13,850 --> 01:22:16,310
But as this happened,
Joe was starting
1100
01:22:16,436 --> 01:22:19,981
to feel pains in his sides.
1101
01:22:21,357 --> 01:22:25,111
He would come off the stage.
"Ray, my sides are killing me.
1102
01:22:25,236 --> 01:22:26,529
I can't catch my breath."
1103
01:22:28,197 --> 01:22:30,783
He made it through the tour.
1104
01:22:31,492 --> 01:22:33,911
As heroic as he can be.
1105
01:22:34,120 --> 01:22:36,414
And bull-headed.
He just fought it.
1106
01:22:36,873 --> 01:22:39,709
Good night, Germany!
1107
01:22:40,960 --> 01:22:43,838
We love you! Keep on rocking!
1108
01:22:44,505 --> 01:22:45,840
Everywhere!
1109
01:23:10,823 --> 01:23:14,994
He came home
on September 8th
1110
01:23:16,621 --> 01:23:18,331
He just looked awful.
1111
01:23:20,583 --> 01:23:22,293
And he was completely exhausted.
1112
01:23:22,418 --> 01:23:25,046
I'd never seen Joe
that exhausted.
1113
01:23:25,171 --> 01:23:29,675
This was a Sunday.
Pam takes Joe in on Tuesday.
1114
01:23:30,051 --> 01:23:33,971
By Friday,
he's diagnosed with Stage Four
1115
01:23:34,096 --> 01:23:36,182
small cell lung cancer.
1116
01:23:37,141 --> 01:23:38,935
I don't know
that I would have...
1117
01:23:41,646 --> 01:23:44,982
...been able to be
as strong as he was.
1118
01:23:47,777 --> 01:23:50,363
He didn't complain.
He never complained.
1119
01:23:50,488 --> 01:23:56,702
He never said, "Oh, why me?
Why is this happening to me?"
1120
01:23:56,869 --> 01:23:58,704
In fact,
he was almost kind of like,
1121
01:23:58,829 --> 01:24:02,708
"Well, considering my background
and my history
1122
01:24:02,875 --> 01:24:05,086
and smoking
for all those years
1123
01:24:05,211 --> 01:24:07,922
and drinking
for all those years,
1124
01:24:09,006 --> 01:24:10,007
why not me?"
1125
01:24:10,216 --> 01:24:11,759
We just kept it quiet.
1126
01:24:13,052 --> 01:24:18,474
The word was that Joe has just
taken an extended vacation.
1127
01:24:19,517 --> 01:24:24,522
But we were trying
to have Joe be nominated
1128
01:24:24,689 --> 01:24:26,399
for the Rock and Roll
Hall of Fame.
1129
01:24:26,566 --> 01:24:27,858
We had lobbied them
1130
01:24:28,568 --> 01:24:32,697
with all of Roger's power, all
the label power lobbying them.
1131
01:24:32,822 --> 01:24:36,701
We had signatures from fans
around the world.
1132
01:24:36,909 --> 01:24:39,328
This is dated September 10th,
2014.
1133
01:24:39,495 --> 01:24:42,123
To members of the Rock and Roll
Hall of Fame committee.
1134
01:24:42,290 --> 01:24:45,710
"As a member of the Rock and
Roll Hall of Fame since 1999,
1135
01:24:45,918 --> 01:24:47,420
it has been one
of my fondest hopes
1136
01:24:47,587 --> 01:24:50,506
to see Joe Cocker inducted
into it as well.
1137
01:24:51,424 --> 01:24:53,092
When I first heard him in 1969,
1138
01:24:53,259 --> 01:24:55,970
I was very inspired by the sound
of his incredibly raw
1139
01:24:56,137 --> 01:24:57,763
and soulful vocal style.
1140
01:24:58,389 --> 01:25:02,685
In my opinion, no one has since
come even close to him
1141
01:25:03,060 --> 01:25:06,480
as one of the great, primal
rock vocalists of all time.
1142
01:25:06,689 --> 01:25:08,107
I hope you will consider
putting his name
1143
01:25:08,232 --> 01:25:09,984
on the voting ballot this year.
1144
01:25:10,526 --> 01:25:11,777
Sincerely, Billy Joel."
1145
01:25:19,243 --> 01:25:22,580
Just for his performance
at Woodstock,
1146
01:25:23,456 --> 01:25:26,125
he should be
in some hall of fame.
1147
01:25:27,126 --> 01:25:29,128
Because it was transcendent.
1148
01:25:29,295 --> 01:25:32,840
It was a performance
for the ages.
1149
01:25:33,257 --> 01:25:35,301
He isn't in the Rock and Roll
Hall of Fame?
1150
01:25:37,261 --> 01:25:38,471
Why could that be?
1151
01:25:39,096 --> 01:25:41,641
I think Joe was
as big a talent as anyone
1152
01:25:42,642 --> 01:25:44,602
in the industry.
1153
01:25:44,769 --> 01:25:47,647
I think, really,
in the history of rock'n'roll,
1154
01:25:47,813 --> 01:25:49,815
I think his talent was unique
1155
01:25:49,940 --> 01:25:52,693
and certainly a match
for anyone's.
1156
01:25:53,027 --> 01:25:56,447
He was an interpreter.
Like Sinatra was an interpreter.
1157
01:25:56,906 --> 01:26:00,326
Like all the great, really great
singers were interpreters.
1158
01:26:01,160 --> 01:26:02,578
They did it their way.
1159
01:26:04,413 --> 01:26:07,166
So, hats off to Joe.
1160
01:26:14,674 --> 01:26:16,008
I knew that he was ill,
1161
01:26:16,175 --> 01:26:19,470
but I had no idea
that it was that far along.
1162
01:26:19,679 --> 01:26:22,014
And so it really did come as
1163
01:26:22,598 --> 01:26:25,142
quite the unpleasant surprise
to me.
1164
01:26:25,309 --> 01:26:28,771
I was watching CNN at the time
1165
01:26:28,938 --> 01:26:31,565
and there was just a crawl
across the bottom of the screen
1166
01:26:31,691 --> 01:26:34,360
that said something like,
1167
01:26:35,194 --> 01:26:39,281
"Rock singer Joe Cocker dies."
1168
01:26:40,366 --> 01:26:42,535
All the accolades
were very warm
1169
01:26:42,702 --> 01:26:45,413
and people were very kind.
1170
01:26:45,579 --> 01:26:48,374
So it was it was
very touching.
1171
01:26:49,417 --> 01:26:51,919
He could be difficult,
but everybody loved him.
1172
01:26:52,628 --> 01:26:53,629
Everybody.
1173
01:26:54,046 --> 01:26:56,882
Those who knew him, had
the privilege of knowing him,
1174
01:26:57,049 --> 01:26:59,427
know actually what
a sweet, kind man...
1175
01:26:59,593 --> 01:27:01,887
He was a lovely man.
He was a lovely man.
1176
01:27:02,096 --> 01:27:04,432
You can't really get past it.
1177
01:27:06,100 --> 01:27:07,685
Which I try to do,
1178
01:27:08,561 --> 01:27:12,106
but, no, I just accept it
that that's what happened
1179
01:27:12,273 --> 01:27:14,984
and I was happy
I was part of it, for sure.
1180
01:27:15,943 --> 01:27:19,155
We were looking forward
to our old age, you know.
1181
01:27:19,321 --> 01:27:21,907
And doing some travelling
just on our own,
1182
01:27:22,074 --> 01:27:23,325
but, yeah...
1183
01:27:24,243 --> 01:27:25,411
That's life, you know.
1184
01:27:25,578 --> 01:27:29,415
You get thrown
all kinds of things, don't you?
1185
01:27:40,593 --> 01:27:44,764
He was born to be a star,
to be up front in a band.
1186
01:27:44,889 --> 01:27:46,265
You know, that's him.
1187
01:27:47,016 --> 01:27:48,768
What else is he going to do?
1188
01:27:48,934 --> 01:27:51,270
Looking like that,
singing like that.
1189
01:28:33,229 --> 01:28:37,149
From the Blues Band and myself,
thank you all very much indeed.
1190
01:28:38,150 --> 01:28:39,944
See you again. Beautiful.
1191
01:28:42,071 --> 01:28:44,073
A big thank you to Joe Cocker!